John Hoar1

ID#  220, (c 1618-1704)
9th great-grandfather of Faye Louise Doyle
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Ancestors of Rev. Roswell Graves
     John Hoar was born about 1618 at Gloucester, England. He was the son of Charles Hoar and Joanna Hincksman.2 He has also been reported to have been born about 1615.3 He was an attorney at Concord, Middlesex County, Massachusetts.4 He married Alice (--?--) about 1645 at Scituate, Massachusetts. He carried the ransom money to free Mrs Rowlandson from captivity among the Indians during King Phillip's War.5 He died on 2 April 1704 at Concord, Middlesex County, Massachusetts.2

"John Hoar, son of Charles Hoar, was born in England. He was a lawyer, distinguished for his courage and independence. He lived at Scituate, Massachusetts, from 1643 to 1655 and settled about 1660 at Concord, Massachusetts, where his descendants have been prominent to the present time. John Hoar represented the colonial authorities in securing by ransom the release of Mrs. Rowlandson from the Indians." --SOURCE: New England Families G&M.

Research Note: Many genealogies link John Hoar to the Lisle family as described here:
"John Hoar ... married Alice Lisle, sister of Bridget Lisle, who married Leonard Hoar, his brother. She was a daughter of John Lord Lisle, president of the high court of justice, lord commissioner of the great seal, who drew the indictment and sentence of King Charles I. and was murdered at Lausanne. August 11, 1664, and of his wife, Lady Alicia Lisle, who was beheaded by the brutal judgment of Jeffries in 1685. The story of her arrest on a charge of treason for sheltering rebels, her condemnation to be burned alive and her execution by beheading, with all the cruel, ghastly details, forms a disgraceful page in English history. Children of John and Alice Hoar; Elizabeth, married Jonathan Prescott; Mary, married Benjamin Graves; Daniel, mentioned below. " --SOURCE: New England Families G&M

I am skeptical about the possibility that John Hoar's wife Alice was actually Alice Lisle. The dates do not work out at all. Alice Lisle was born c 1636, so she could not have had a dau (Mary Hoar) born in 1648. Even if Alice was born (as one record states) in 1631, that's still pushing the dates a bit - and that birthdate conflicts with her parents' marriage c 1635.

There is a long discussion thread about this on genforum and to date no-one has offered proof that John Hoar's wife Alice is really Alice Lisle.

In short, I'm taking Alice Lisle out of my records as John Hoar's wife. That's unfortunate because it's kind of neat to have such famous (infamous?) people in our background: the overthrow of King Charles I; a murder in Switzerland; a beheading for treason. Pretty exciting stuff! :) Oh well! flw 15 Mar 2004.
Last Edited=25 Jan 2011

Children of John Hoar and Alice (--?--)

Citations

  1. [S8] Fredrick A Vickers, The Compendium of American Genealogy (First Families of America) (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1968).
  2. [S129] Charles Henry Pope, Pioneers of Massachusetts unknown edition, The Generations Network, genealogy.com (http://www.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/ifa_image.cgi : accessed unknown access date).
  3. [S10] David Taft, Pedigree Resource File Disc 15., CD-ROM (Salt Lake City, UT: LDS Family History Library), Graves family.
  4. [S130] "Unknown article title", Colonial Dames of America, Vol II, Records and Portraits, online http://www.genealogy.com/506facd.html. Previously published in hard copy (n.p.: n.pub.).
  5. [S429] Soldiers in King Philip's War, 1675-1677, Various Officers and Companies, online (http://www.genealogy.com/ : accessed unknown access date).